Thursday, November 18, 2004

maybe it's just a head cold

don't know how much more i can take. feel so divided. on one hand i see the church and envision what the church could be and what i think should be. how can such a wide chasm exist. big churches and small. progressive and old-school. where are the transformed lives? didn't the NT writers look for evidence of the Holy Spirit within cities and churches to see what God was doing?

where is the holy spirit moving now? where is God moving lives and taking ordinary people and calling them out of the ordinary and into an extraordinary relationship with him? i want this for me. i want this for the church. i want this for my daughter and for all the people who see the church as rich people in SUV's hurrying on their way to church, too busy to notice them or get their hands dirty with real people's struggles.

is the church meant to peter out and sell out like this? i just can't see the apostles sitting around planning how the spirit is going to move and how they can dazzle people into becoming a member, joining one of the small groups or how they can convince the masses that they have what the people need.

don't we know what people need? what's keeping us from giving it to them? do we have to do this in some huge organized/structured way? i just don't see it happening. as often as i am frustrated by the church - i love it. i love the people and want them to live their lives to the fullest. i wonder how that will happen within the confines of buildings and beauracracies of the "church".

as i listen to other people, i realize it's not this congregation or that one. this is a problem everywhere. do you know why you here so much about the handful of congregations that are on fire with the holy spirit? because it is so rare. this doesn't make me happy to write this, but i believe it is the truth. what needs to happen? At the height of the churches' power ($ and political) what can break our hearts for Jesus and for the lost?

it is not another corporate run campaign. it is not music style. it's not better preaching. it's not something humans can achieve. who can stir the spirit of God and have him act here on earth?

have we come to a place where our sacrifices, celebrations and festivals have become disgusting to God? will God turn a deaf ear to us when we call on him because we ask with the intentions of building up our own kingdom and not His?


disgruntled world citizen said...

is it bad that i've walked out of "contemporary services?" i'm an old 5 and 15 loofrin.

Peter said...

I don't like your use of the word "peter", but I definitely feel your struggle.

Peter said...

One of the problems is the Church is more concerned about what the people "want" (more probrems) instead of what they "need"(Spiritual transformation).

Jamie said...

I feel the same way sometimes, but I don't think God would let His saving grace "peter" out. It kind of reminds me of Noah...

j said...

glad to hear you are all just as disenfranchized... i think? i agree with you clim that God will not withhold his Grace from us because grace is a free gift and not dependent on something we do. nothing we can do to earn it, so there's nothing we can do to un-earn it.
but, isn't there a difference between grace and blessing. grace is extended to everyone. some of God's blessings are extended to everyone but others are not. Some of God's blessings are dependent on action from us.

"let me there is no time,
let me sum up..."

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven...Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the sons of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"
the blessings are dependent on the peoples' attitude, actions and hearts. Does God have to bless the church because it is His church? what if it does not act like it belongs to Him? what if it the church builds an earthly kingdom instead of the heavenly kingdom?

i'd be interested in hearing more about how you are reminded on Noah... as well as others thoughts on this if you are still reading